Like many of you I try to have redundancy built into many of my systems / preps. Take communication for example, my primary unit would be my cell phone with the alternate course of action being the land line. The thought process behind this being that if cell towers were out due to an outage (and my home power was out) I’d still be able to make a call if need be. Computer / telecommunication nerds, feel free to jump in at any time to correct my assumptions. As it turns out, I just learned yesterday that if the power were to go out in my home my land line would be rendered useless.
Here’s the deal, I don’t exactly have a true land line as I once thought because my home phone is plugged into my modem. I can’t believe I’m just realizing this but it’s set up this way because I have a bundle package (TV / Internet / Phone). So it makes sense that if the power were to go out so would all of my internet related components, taking my land line capabilities down with it. My backup system has a massive vulnerability which I’m working to rectify this week.
Again it’s at this point which I would ask anyone who knows better to comment below so I don’t make a bad purchase, and to educate anyone else who might not have realized they had this same issue. My thoughts are to purchase an Uninterruptable Power Supply like the one pictured below.
Essentially this device would be capable of powering my electronics for up to 20 minutes (give or take 5 mins based on what I’ve read) after an outage. Most outages that I’ve experienced usually do not last that long and as such this device should be more that sufficient to keep my land line operational. However if the power were to go out for a longer period of time the APC would simply allow me the time to hook up and start my backup generator which supplies power to the entire home.
So there you have it and truth is I feel pretty stupid for not realizing this sooner. The issue has been prevalent for quite some time but quite honestly I can’t be the master of all knowledge, I was not the one to install my TV / Internet / Phone package so I didn’t realize what the ramifications could be until something actually went wrong. Might want to check your setup just in case…
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After spending a decade of my life in the world of the geeks, I learned early on with several power outages that my cordless phones were useless. I then turned to my pack rat mentality and pulled out my parents old but true push button Ma Bell phone.
We kept our “land line” for that one reason, power goes out, towers go down; we can still use our phone.
Thought about a UPS but decided if storms or whatever hits the fan, I probably do not need to be sitting in front of a screen.
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I have cordless and an old school push button, yet given my scenario it seems like it probably wouldn’t matter as my modem would be down regardless.
PJ
Some of your dilemma may involve who is supplying your “land-line” is it Maw Bell, A cable/TV service like Century Link, or a true Internet hard wire provider?
All three will be different as to “if” they will maintain service when the power hits the fan.
99% of the time Maw Bell will still be working if it’s just a power outage. Most Phone companies have backup power at their locations and will keep service up for a long time
Where as Cable may or may not be, because of the translators from their source. Could be a tossup either way, at best 50-50
Internet satellite service for your internet would be best, 99.99999% of the time a satellite will still be operating if the local power goes down so the only thing stopping you from having service would be your own “house power”. As you know you can also have “phone” and TV service over the net. Unfortunately satellite service is has a slight delay in transmit and receive, so if your a hard core “gamer” it’s not the best choice.
For my money for a “backup” system for the Cell-Phone would be satellite system in the home.
NRP
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I have a cable company providing service, sometimes I debate switching to ma bell but the price for everything is about the same.
Sadly, the entire landline issue is much worse than most people realize. I live in an rural area and am served by a major provider and within 25 miles of my state capital. Due to the way phone systems have been upgraded over the years (fiber optics, etc.) a simple power outage ALSO takes out all landline service for many of us. In my case, the back-up batteries that power the local “repeater” provide about an hour of power before we lose all communication capability. No electricity, no phones unless and until the phone company sends out a truck with a generator. This means no ability to contact emergency services, nada. And we live in an area that does not get a cell phone signal. In order to have rudimentary communication via messaging or e-mail, I run a satellite modem with a generator. In my opinion it is gross negligence that my public utility commission ( Oregon ) allows this to continue as adequate service. Up until the “improvements” to our phone system were implemented we always had phone service independent of whether or not we had electricity.
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Elise
It truly was an eye opener for me. It sounds like you are truly in an area where not having secondary and even tertiary forms of communication could prove to be a serious issue. Good thing you have a plan in place.
I really would not waste my money on a battery backup for 20 minutes, unless you do a good bit of work on the computer at home. If you have a generator at home, I would plan to power it with that. Unless you are willing to pay an arm and a leg for a battery backup, you are probably going to be disappointed anyway.
I would check and see if a true landline is available. If your house was built prior to the fiber optics upgrades, you might find that the old simple landline still is available. If it is, you can ask for an “emergency only” package from ma bell that allows you to call 911 (which any technically have to) and you are charged for making any other calls – mine runs $10.00 per month total.
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Definitely leaning on the generator for true backup power. I just ran both of mine this past weekend to blow the cobwebs out.
Old School I/T guy here. The phone situation can be complicated. If you live in an area that has an older infrastructure there is a good possibility that you can maintain phone service during a power outage if you are setup to use a “POTS” phone line. (Plain Old Telephone System). There is a caveat. As the phone company upgrades its systems, it is transitioning the old phone infrastructure over to data lines for multiple reasons. In rural areas, this may even involve using cell towers as a communications link back to the main office. They may have a UPS for short power interruptions at the COPO but, those are only good for a few minutes & will only maintain the equipment inside of the little room not the communications link down stream to the home office. If you have one of those all in one packages from your internet/cable/phone provider you do not have a true phone line with it’s own power source as the old POTS system has.(the reason why phones used to light up even with no house power when you lifted the receiver) Hooking up a UPS will not benefit you outside of your house. Each neighborhood is on a switch that shares the data link back to the providers local distribution point (Ma Bell called this a COPO, the little shack by the road down the street). You are using a “VOIP” type setup similar to Skype minus the video. All “phone” communications are data packets carried over an internet link. A lot of TV services are beginning to be setup like this as Fiber is being rolled out the houses. Older analog POTS systems are becoming a rarity since it is more economical to transmit voice over data lines (internet) since everyone seems to have internet these days. It makes business sense but is horrendous for backup systems. Alternatively, you can ask for a phone setup for a house security alarm. It is a specific setup that is usually run off the older analog system or has built in multiple redundancy checks in place to combat issues such as power failures. No need to give a provider name. just tell ’em you rolled your own security setup that you need the alarm phone line for.
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Pete
Outstanding information, thanks for taking the time to provide all of it. I knew someone would be reading who could provide the real scoop!
I like my phone, but we all should be able to survive without a phone for a few days to a few weeks, through most all of human history people survived without a phone.
Get a CB radio, a jell-cell battery to power it and a quality solar panel and charge controller to charge it (50 watt min) and it will give you the ability to talk to others in almost any kind of emergency for years on end independent of Ma Bell or cell company.
PS: Ham radio is better, but CB is a good first step and CB radios (with antennas) can be found in working condition at garage sales for $5.00
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Most people in human history survived without guns. Want to give all of yours up? 🙂
I’m with you though, thanks for the suggestions.
PJ I’m not saying to give up our phones or guns. I’m just saying to be ready to adapt to a changing world if needed.
I gave up my land-line years ago and only use the cell phone for my handyman business and personal life. I use it for income so it’s important. Grid down I may not do as much work as the phone is my link to doing work. But I will survive well enough as I plan ahead (putting up food, money & silver, solar panels, ham & CB radios and a lot of other things) by building up so I can survive bad times that may not let me link to the modern world like we alldo today.
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I’m with your Chuck, definitely have to prioritize.
The old phones, rotary dial, corded, don’t need electricity to work…..Nor do they need a modem!! 😉 That is why so many folks, who live in stormy areas keep the old phones AND the landline……
If you don’t know for certain, just power off all your circuit breakers. Then check your phone for dial tone. Many thrift and used goods stores like Good Will and consignment stores will have cheap, old fashioned landline phones.
If you have put together a Faraday Cage for EMP protection …. it would pay to make room for an old fashion landline phone and a few of those old cell phones that have upgraded into unused storage ….
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I’ve gone the old microwave oven route for commo devices, although I have read it might not be the best device out there.
Old Land-Lines are still the most reliable. Fewer and fewer people have them. When the power fails, the land-line usually still works…unless you use it on an AC-Powered phone! Get your parents’ old reliable push button out of the box in the attic and plug it in (assuming you have service).
Wonderful information…especially yours, Pete.
Take a look at this company (Goal Zero). We too, are redundant. We have a gas generator, a diesel generator, and a solar powered unit http://www.goalzero.com/p/138/goal-zero-yeti-1250-solar-generator-kit
My main focus is our well for water…therefore the solar unit. Gasoline, diesel, and propane/gas will run out, eventually…in a SHTF situation. We are fortunate to live across the road from a year round creek. But my concern is that everyone else will be accessing that creek, also. That puts us “out there” every time we need water.
Regarding phones/communication…we bit the bullet and hubby got his Ham Radio license, and Ham Radio (which I keep in a Faraday cage). We live in SW Oregon in the foothills of the Cascade Mtn range. Very limited communication. No radio reception, only satellite for TV or internet (no TV for us). Cell phone use is very limited.
Face it…communication will be almost nil after SHTF. We have to learn to live without it…like the old timers. Most of our family lives away from us. But they have gone the Ham Radio way also. Antennas are the biggest problem for us. Soooo many mountains around us. You flat-landers have it made for CB’s and such.
Learn to live w/out money (except for taxes), or electricity. That’s my goal. Turn it all off…I don’t care anymore.
You should look into getting a manual well pump for your well. There are several companies that make them and I have seen them advertised for as little as $300. I went the deluxe route and got one that was rated for hard winters since I live in a very cold weather climate. My total cost after buying PVC pipe, glue, an a few extra things that weren’t included in the kit was less than $500. It works great and now I don’t have to worry about access to water if the grid goes down.
A UPS will give you a lot more than 20 minutes of backup time if you shut down everything attached to the UPS except the cable modem. The smart thing to do is shut down the UPS entirely and then use it only when you are making a call. You can probably go for several weeks or even months by just managing your power use. Running a gas generator to use a phone is just crazy.